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		<title>By: dennis</title>
		<link>http://blog.bookoven.com/2009/01/06/design-of-electronic-text/comment-page-1/#comment-1105</link>
		<dc:creator>dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your readers might be interested in this different way to experience Obama&#039;s Inaugural Address...as a flow:

http://www.textflows.com/ObamaInaugurationFlow

It runs longer than the speech itself (by half!),  but you see the whole thing (the text) newly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your readers might be interested in this different way to experience Obama&#8217;s Inaugural Address&#8230;as a flow:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.textflows.com/ObamaInaugurationFlow" rel="nofollow">http://www.textflows.com/ObamaInaugurationFlow</a></p>
<p>It runs longer than the speech itself (by half!),  but you see the whole thing (the text) newly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorlene Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://blog.bookoven.com/2009/01/06/design-of-electronic-text/comment-page-1/#comment-920</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorlene Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hugh: thanks for responding to my dictionary question. I can&#039;t imagine reading without it. Regarding Stanza&#039;s sliders, it would be nice if  they also offered a choice of fixed fonts -- like eReader does -- for people who don&#039;t want infinite control.

@karen: I agree with you about eReader. It does everything I want and more. Is there any other feature that would be desirable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hugh: thanks for responding to my dictionary question. I can&#8217;t imagine reading without it. Regarding Stanza&#8217;s sliders, it would be nice if  they also offered a choice of fixed fonts &#8212; like eReader does &#8212; for people who don&#8217;t want infinite control.</p>
<p>@karen: I agree with you about eReader. It does everything I want and more. Is there any other feature that would be desirable?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Templer</title>
		<link>http://blog.bookoven.com/2009/01/06/design-of-electronic-text/comment-page-1/#comment-915</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Templer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eReader does the stuff you guys are asking about -- dogearing, bookmarking, highlighting, notes, and most important to me, the progress bar. Lexcycle is making a lot of great moves with Stanza but I can&#039;t stand to read in it. I&#039;m apparently more OCD than I realized, but I take constant note of where I am in a book, and in Stanza there&#039;s no way to know. I find it completely disorienting. 

I&#039;ve always been timid about dogearing and marginalia and stuff, but now I&#039;m a total slut about it. Plus I use it to do stuff like this:
http://kt.posterous.com/favorite-passages-from-the-boo

So it&#039;s eReader for me at least until Stanza can provide those sorts of functionality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eReader does the stuff you guys are asking about &#8212; dogearing, bookmarking, highlighting, notes, and most important to me, the progress bar. Lexcycle is making a lot of great moves with Stanza but I can&#8217;t stand to read in it. I&#8217;m apparently more OCD than I realized, but I take constant note of where I am in a book, and in Stanza there&#8217;s no way to know. I find it completely disorienting. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been timid about dogearing and marginalia and stuff, but now I&#8217;m a total slut about it. Plus I use it to do stuff like this:<br />
<a href="http://kt.posterous.com/favorite-passages-from-the-boo" rel="nofollow">http://kt.posterous.com/favorite-passages-from-the-boo</a></p>
<p>So it&#8217;s eReader for me at least until Stanza can provide those sorts of functionality.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh</title>
		<link>http://blog.bookoven.com/2009/01/06/design-of-electronic-text/comment-page-1/#comment-913</link>
		<dc:creator>hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No dictionary links w Stanza ...the brilliance w/ stanza, i think, is they&#039;ve started with the bare bones, and got the core function right. they can now (i hope) build on that success ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No dictionary links w Stanza &#8230;the brilliance w/ stanza, i think, is they&#8217;ve started with the bare bones, and got the core function right. they can now (i hope) build on that success &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dorlene Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://blog.bookoven.com/2009/01/06/design-of-electronic-text/comment-page-1/#comment-912</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorlene Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a dictionary link on Stanza? I use Ereader software to read books on my iPod Touch and love being able to just press a word to bring up the meaning in Webster&#039;s 3rd International Dictionary. It&#039;s superior to any vocabulary-building course and encourages me to verify the meanings of familiar words and learn the definitions of new words without interrupting the reading flow. 

I appreciate and agree with all your comments. As one who began e-reading three years ago after a 20+-year hiatus from p-reading, I am reading like crazy to make up for lost time. My Touch is with me every minute of every day and most of my reading is done during spare moments although I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and grab the Touch off my night table  to read without disturbing my spouse (if he&#039;s not awake reading on his Touch!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a dictionary link on Stanza? I use Ereader software to read books on my iPod Touch and love being able to just press a word to bring up the meaning in Webster&#8217;s 3rd International Dictionary. It&#8217;s superior to any vocabulary-building course and encourages me to verify the meanings of familiar words and learn the definitions of new words without interrupting the reading flow. </p>
<p>I appreciate and agree with all your comments. As one who began e-reading three years ago after a 20+-year hiatus from p-reading, I am reading like crazy to make up for lost time. My Touch is with me every minute of every day and most of my reading is done during spare moments although I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and grab the Touch off my night table  to read without disturbing my spouse (if he&#8217;s not awake reading on his Touch!).</p>
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		<title>By: hugh</title>
		<link>http://blog.bookoven.com/2009/01/06/design-of-electronic-text/comment-page-1/#comment-911</link>
		<dc:creator>hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@karen: I agree with the sore wrist in bed problem - seems strange that such a little device would be uncomfortable there, but there you are. It&#039;s ideal for reading while standing; not ideal for reading while reclining.

@chris: Here are some features I&#039;d like to see in an ereader on a device:
1. +/- for fonts - i agree chris that the sliders are TERRIBLE at getting the font right on stanza
2. a way to stick a bookmark/dogear at a given spot in a text ... ideally also allowing me to jot some notes/annotations. even more ideally, this gloss should be easily exportable.
3. a way to highlight certain text for later, i guess in congress with the above
4. stanza gives you a great indication of where you are in the chap (p 14/32) ... but I would like same for the entire book.

@diane: glad to see authors really experimenting with this tech, and Birthday Girl looks great. But if all goes well, the tech makers will do a better job of it soon, and authors can (mostly, I hope) stick to writing. Oh, and making a living too ... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@karen: I agree with the sore wrist in bed problem &#8211; seems strange that such a little device would be uncomfortable there, but there you are. It&#8217;s ideal for reading while standing; not ideal for reading while reclining.</p>
<p>@chris: Here are some features I&#8217;d like to see in an ereader on a device:<br />
1. +/- for fonts &#8211; i agree chris that the sliders are TERRIBLE at getting the font right on stanza<br />
2. a way to stick a bookmark/dogear at a given spot in a text &#8230; ideally also allowing me to jot some notes/annotations. even more ideally, this gloss should be easily exportable.<br />
3. a way to highlight certain text for later, i guess in congress with the above<br />
4. stanza gives you a great indication of where you are in the chap (p 14/32) &#8230; but I would like same for the entire book.</p>
<p>@diane: glad to see authors really experimenting with this tech, and Birthday Girl looks great. But if all goes well, the tech makers will do a better job of it soon, and authors can (mostly, I hope) stick to writing. Oh, and making a living too &#8230; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: dianejwright</title>
		<link>http://blog.bookoven.com/2009/01/06/design-of-electronic-text/comment-page-1/#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>dianejwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Hugh. This is SO true. I recently created an eBook version of my novel, BIRTHDAY GIRL. I started by using the Amazon DTP conversion tool to create a book for the Kindle. That left so much to be desired in terms of aesthetics that I took matters into my own hands. Now, after a bit of effort (borne of 12+ years designing for the web, believe it or not) I now have a very attractive and readable eBook. My readers seem pleased. It wasn&#039;t easy but I couldn&#039;t be more happy that now &lt;a href=&quot;http://birthdaygirl.fatbrain.ca&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BIRTHDAY GIRL&lt;/a&gt; can be read wherever, whenever and still retain the &quot;book experience&quot; that I intended. 

I say eReaders and digital books -- now that they&#039;re becoming available on devices people already own -- will breathe new life into publishing.

ePub, Kindle, &amp; PDF versions of BIRTHDAY GIRL are here:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/getbirthdaygirl&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/getbirthdaygirl&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Hugh. This is SO true. I recently created an eBook version of my novel, BIRTHDAY GIRL. I started by using the Amazon DTP conversion tool to create a book for the Kindle. That left so much to be desired in terms of aesthetics that I took matters into my own hands. Now, after a bit of effort (borne of 12+ years designing for the web, believe it or not) I now have a very attractive and readable eBook. My readers seem pleased. It wasn&#8217;t easy but I couldn&#8217;t be more happy that now <a href="http://birthdaygirl.fatbrain.ca" rel="nofollow">BIRTHDAY GIRL</a> can be read wherever, whenever and still retain the &#8220;book experience&#8221; that I intended. </p>
<p>I say eReaders and digital books &#8212; now that they&#8217;re becoming available on devices people already own &#8212; will breathe new life into publishing.</p>
<p>ePub, Kindle, &amp; PDF versions of BIRTHDAY GIRL are here:  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/getbirthdaygirl" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/getbirthdaygirl</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hugh &amp; @karen Agree - Aldus Manutius discovered the same thing in the 1500s when he brought out pocket sized editions of classics (inventing the italic type style to help him squeeze more onto every line) Tiny books compared to what was being produced elsewhere, but they changed the world, introducing the works of antiquity to everyman.

BTW - I have tinkered with Stanza&#039;s defaults a lot to get what I want, and get quite frustrated with the sensitivity of the sliders. This is what I have ended up with:

http://gallery.me.com/christopherhughes#100026&amp;view=grid&amp;bgcolor=black&amp;sel=0

Also - a key benefit of Stanza over trade paperbacks: cheap books snap shut when you let go of them. I have some where you have to jam your thumb into the spine to keep it open enough to read it. Stanza allows you to read with one hand! Leaving the other free to pour wine into your parched throat.

One thing I would like - a graphical equivalent of the bookmark poking out of the top of the book, telling you how far you have to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hugh &amp; @karen Agree &#8211; Aldus Manutius discovered the same thing in the 1500s when he brought out pocket sized editions of classics (inventing the italic type style to help him squeeze more onto every line) Tiny books compared to what was being produced elsewhere, but they changed the world, introducing the works of antiquity to everyman.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; I have tinkered with Stanza&#8217;s defaults a lot to get what I want, and get quite frustrated with the sensitivity of the sliders. This is what I have ended up with:</p>
<p><a href="http://gallery.me.com/christopherhughes#100026&amp;view=grid&amp;bgcolor=black&amp;sel=0" rel="nofollow">http://gallery.me.com/christopherhughes#100026&amp;view=grid&amp;bgcolor=black&amp;sel=0</a></p>
<p>Also &#8211; a key benefit of Stanza over trade paperbacks: cheap books snap shut when you let go of them. I have some where you have to jam your thumb into the spine to keep it open enough to read it. Stanza allows you to read with one hand! Leaving the other free to pour wine into your parched throat.</p>
<p>One thing I would like &#8211; a graphical equivalent of the bookmark poking out of the top of the book, telling you how far you have to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Templer</title>
		<link>http://blog.bookoven.com/2009/01/06/design-of-electronic-text/comment-page-1/#comment-899</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Templer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I try not to get this pedantic every time I see someone talking about how the Kindle&#039;s bigger screen makes it better than the iPhone, and that the other devices with even bigger screens will be even better, but since you&#039;ve touched on this!

The fact is, a bigger &quot;page&quot; will slow down reading. It&#039;s well documented that reading long lines of text is more difficult (for one thing, it&#039;s harder to relocate yourself at the beginning of the next line). The optimum line length is about 10-12 words. This is one of the first things design students are taught: a responsible designer keeps readability always in mind. So if screens get bigger than about 7 or 9 inches, a well-designed text for that screen will have wider margins to compensate. The extra screen space becomes a big waste, at a point. 

I also find, as you have Hugh (and so many others report the same things we&#039;ve noted before), that the smaller bite of text at a time, overall, keeps me more focused on it. As does the act of turning the page more often than with a print book. 

But with all of that said, I think the optimum size probably is about 7&quot; -- both to accomplish just the right line length and to make it easier to hold onto when lying in bed with it propped up. My wrist does sometimes get a little annoyed holding onto the little bugger, truth be told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try not to get this pedantic every time I see someone talking about how the Kindle&#8217;s bigger screen makes it better than the iPhone, and that the other devices with even bigger screens will be even better, but since you&#8217;ve touched on this!</p>
<p>The fact is, a bigger &#8220;page&#8221; will slow down reading. It&#8217;s well documented that reading long lines of text is more difficult (for one thing, it&#8217;s harder to relocate yourself at the beginning of the next line). The optimum line length is about 10-12 words. This is one of the first things design students are taught: a responsible designer keeps readability always in mind. So if screens get bigger than about 7 or 9 inches, a well-designed text for that screen will have wider margins to compensate. The extra screen space becomes a big waste, at a point. </p>
<p>I also find, as you have Hugh (and so many others report the same things we&#8217;ve noted before), that the smaller bite of text at a time, overall, keeps me more focused on it. As does the act of turning the page more often than with a print book. </p>
<p>But with all of that said, I think the optimum size probably is about 7&#8243; &#8212; both to accomplish just the right line length and to make it easier to hold onto when lying in bed with it propped up. My wrist does sometimes get a little annoyed holding onto the little bugger, truth be told.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh McGuire</title>
		<link>http://blog.bookoven.com/2009/01/06/design-of-electronic-text/comment-page-1/#comment-895</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh McGuire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I seriously wonder whether that small ipod screen, the small amount of text, isn&#039;t  *better* for reading than a full book page. At least, it&#039;s much better for reading on the bus, in line at the bank etc., but even in relaxed reading it&#039;s pretty compelling to me. The trade paperback page size is just an accident of physical requirements.

I wish that the mobile NYT for ipod/iphone would deliver their text into stanza or something like it - that would be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I seriously wonder whether that small ipod screen, the small amount of text, isn&#8217;t  *better* for reading than a full book page. At least, it&#8217;s much better for reading on the bus, in line at the bank etc., but even in relaxed reading it&#8217;s pretty compelling to me. The trade paperback page size is just an accident of physical requirements.</p>
<p>I wish that the mobile NYT for ipod/iphone would deliver their text into stanza or something like it &#8211; that would be great.</p>
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